He hides behind the church to bully people whether in the church or outside. however, since evangelical leaders have redefined ‘gossip’ to mean “don’t rock the boat” to protect their power, careers, and revenue, can you explain what you mean by gossip? They’re all using so much jargon that it’s hard to figure out what any of it actually means. He must increase I must decrease. I’ll happily answer any questions, but for any Believers here I would strongly encourage you to first take this to the Lord in prayer, then His word, and then ask yourself if it’s healthy or wise or appropriate to make such claims about a person / place you know almost nothing about. Or evasion? Seems there are some Watermark menbers This comes about a year after a blog called No Eden Elsewhere published several posts alleging spiritual abuse at the church. The pastor noted he has been discussing the issue with church elders since June. indoor plumbing plumbing would be a luxury. Smarmy — Thesaurus As VA has expanded access to community care with the passage of the The elders shared that Wagner and his wife “had been seeking the Lord for over a year to discern what their next step … I know him on a first name basis, as I do some of those elders on the stage. It is an interesting discussion. ——-, Watermark Community Church has believers “SIGN” What does all white and all males have to do absolutely anything with regard to this situation? In His end the crowd that He drew wanted to see Him tortured to death in the most cruel way possible. What a bizarre statement. As for the doctrinal statement issue, I see what you are saying. This is a big problem if the teaching statement isn’t clearly explained in the membership process – members may find themselves in a church where they don’t believe or adhere to the teaching statement thus disqualifying them from an elder position or, at the least, making them feel like a second-tier member. Re|Engage at other churches may be worthwhile…. a lavish lifestyle is contrary to everything Jesus stood for — if Jesus still matters, and if anyone actually remembers. As per usual, all white and all males. that the elder board was ready to go in Todd’s leadership direction. It was meant to jerk everyone’s chain. Thank you for praying for me when I was a cigarette smoker snd 23 yrs of smoking addiction was lifted within a year or so afte that. a smarmy, unctuous reply. Definitely they are important to Christian theology, but they fall within a spectrum of orthodox third-rank doctrines. I know that there are many different types of church governance. Please would you please explain a bit more about this take on Christ’s death. if servant leadership plus Jesus Christ means anything, it logically using financial means to serve others. No wonder the process of disciplining and removing an elder within this structure is so dysfunctional – there’s no independent accountability. 2. “We share in unity because we always have unity if we’re at the foot of the cross. Poor Todd. I went to a church with a broadly evangelical membership statement coupled with a specifically Calvinistic, and specifically young earth creationist, teaching statement. Elder Mickey Friedrich then urged the church not to “try and judge whose version of events is right or wrong. Kind of “smarmy” too. Maybe because I have not had a negative experience with elder rule I do not see it as a problem. I don’t have an extensive history with Wagner but several of my closest friends say that they saw this same controlling, egotistic behavior back in the 1990s when he came to Dallas to lead a high school group called K Life. My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I may meditate on your promises.” Psalm 119: 147,148 John 3:30#simpleasthat. Or, in this case, you live on as Elder Emeritus! To access the menus on this page please perform the following steps. Todd had 6 children living at home at the time he was gifted the home. That’s why people leave churches snd are constantly hurt. Is this standard really “higher” or is it just more “specific”? Wagner is all about control and he lost it. Most people in the U.S. have a lavish lifestyle compared to most believers around the world. I’m sorry to hear of judgement that has been passed around. Why do you throw a stone (more likely without looking at yourselves first). Our church has an elder-type rule that is healthy, but I know of churches that have had an elder-type rule that is not so healthy. Before you Sign. This is absolutely nothing like a Joel Osteen situation. I think I’m getting the hang of this Christianese thing. One question is I’m confused about your statement that the crowd Jesus drew wanted to see him tortured to death in the most cruel way possible. The reason for his sabbatical is the sin of pride. Their countenances in the video departure statements appear to be quite different. How many times have you actually talked to Todd? Todd Wagner’s *I ain’t saying nothing to you pew-sitters while stepping away for a season* talk. It’s odd to me that Todd has stated twice (last year and in this year’s announcement) that he is not disqualified from eldership – I have no reason to believe he is disqualified so I don’t want to speculate. Sept 2020-Jan 2021 – There are 21 services with elder David Leventhal delivering 8 of the … “For the first time in 20 years,” he said from the pulpit Sunday, “I’m stepping back from what I usually do so I can do the hard work of hard work. Hit enter to expand a main menu option (Health, Benefits, etc). In the video, Wagner said that the “clarity” to step down was “not hasty,” adding that the discernment process had started a year ago. For ye were as *sheep going astray;* Watermark’s “issues” IMO are people issues more that content or material issues.